Strategy for Layering Multiple Instances

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5 months 3 weeks ago - 5 months 3 weeks ago #826 by Clint Goss
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I would like to run multiple instances of Respiro and layer them - bringing in one instance when I roll the Sylphyo (it issues CC#76 for this) and another instance when I elevate the foot of the Sylphyo (CC#75). I can connect all my instances to MIDI without problems (I use Cantabile, which makes it easy).

What is a good strategy for this?

I am currently mapping the two CC75 and CC76 to the Standard parameter [OUT adjust] to control the volume. I am using a curve that is at the lowest value for the left half and then climbs steeply to the max value on the right half of the curve.

Is this a good approach ... or is there something better?

Also, I notice that the lowest value for [OUT adjust] is -100 ... not exactly silent. You can actually hear the instrument a bit, but I guess that should not be a problem. Is there a way to switch it off completely?

Thanks for any feedback!
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5 months 3 weeks ago #827 by Clint Goss
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A response on Facebook suggested mapping the CC75/76 from the Sylphyo directly to Respiro's breath control ... brilliant!

Seems to work nicely with [Mode] set to [CE] (Continuous Expression)

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5 months 3 weeks ago #828 by imoxplus
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Yes, layering with the Sylphyo is best achieved using the CC75/CC76.
Adjusting volume with these CC's is not optimal and might feel unnatural.
The approach of adjusting the breath level is indeed a better strategy.
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CE mode is using some additional midi processing tricks to handle the rotating MIDI channels specific for MPE. It does remember breath pressure levels for each note and ensures smooth transition between these breath levels when changing notes. Using BC mode does not store / recall breath pressure level for each note. It uses one global pressure and applies this to what ever note is played.
As a result the transition between notes for CE vs BC mode might feel different.
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5 months 3 weeks ago #829 by Clint Goss
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So, from what you are suggesting ... maybe it is better to:
  • Use normal BC with CC#2 on all three Respiro instances, and then ...
  • Use an external means (this is easy in Cantabile) to use CC#75 to control the overall volume of one of the Respiro instances and CC#76 to control the overall volume of another Respiro instance.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #830 by imoxplus
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Yes, 2 options
1) If your goal is to influence the volume while still maintain the timbre (which is related to pressure level) - Use DAW for CC to track (instance) volume mapping

2) If your goal is to influence pressure level (and therefor also timbre) then you better influence the BC - CC of Respiro directly - use Respiro mapping
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