My personal view on existing Wind-controllers

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3 weeks 2 days ago #219 by imoxplus
Please read this in the context of a sax player. I have other expectations vs a recorder, brass, oboe or flute player :)

First, I consider ALL controllers on the market lack the MOST important thing which is CAPTURING EMBOUCHURE. But this is about to change due to a new mouthpiece that I will bring on the market. Patents are in the making, So I can NOT share more...sorrrryyyyy

Secondly, I consider the fingering on many controllers unnatural due to the lack of haptic interaction, positioning, lack of tone-hole opening detection, octave switching, etc.

Third, a real world instrument does provide me feedback, eg, air resonating in my mouth, vibrating reed, vibrating of the body etc. Such feedback allows me to deeper connect and get faster in the "zone".

So, my dream controller would have following
A - a multi modal mouthpiece that goes beyond breath and bite.
B - tactile keying, with trill-keys
C - precise tone-hole opening detection
D - a roller glider like the AKAI. allowing for a huge octave range
E - high speed wireless
F - "sexy" and inviting to play = Must have the character / soul of a real instrument that you can get in "love with"
G - portable with high autonomy
H - highly configurable mouthpiece and fingering settings
I - adjustable airflow
J - portable and robust
K - customisable look and feel

I do not need a sound-engine on board because sound-engines evolve too fast. But if the DSP processor is powerful and compatible with the Plug-in development frameworks then this would be very interesting. FYI, I'm considering to put Respiro on a Bela board and will also investing how to put the engine on a ARM STM processor (like the Sylphyo is using)

Conclusion: there is no wind-controller on the market that fits all my needs.

I like the Sylphyo due to its
- super fast and sensitive breath sensing,
- free-air-flow that can be reduced by inserting a constrainer in the exhaust.
- highly configurable settings
- lightweight
- autonomy and highspeed wireless connection

I like my WX due to its
- fingering, trills, lip sensor

I like the EWI due to its
- roller
- robust design

Conclusion, the Sylphyo is getting a bigger score but it still has a way to go. It is still a hurdle for me to get fingering right on the Sylphyo, but this is probably because I'm still learning (as like with a real instrument)...

WHAT IS YOUR DREAM CONTROLLER???

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3 weeks 12 hours ago #222 by gewi
Please read this in the context of a sax player. I have other expectations vs a recorder, brass, oboe or flute player


First, I consider ALL controllers on the market lack the MOST important thing which is CAPTURING EMBOUCHURE. But this is about to change due to a new mouthpiece that I will bring on the market. Patents are in the making, So I can NOT share more...sorrrryyyyy

Secondly, I consider the fingering on many controllers unnatural due to the lack of haptic interaction, positioning, lack of tone-hole opening detection, octave switching, etc.


I’m reminded of the Indian bansuri: big toneholes = pitch control.

Third, a real world instrument does provide me feedback, eg, air resonating in my mouth, vibrating reed, vibrating of the body etc. Such feedback allows me to deeper connect and get faster in the "zone".

Flute players just blow, but the angle counts, and the compression of the lips.

So, my dream controller would have following
A - a multi modal mouthpiece that goes beyond breath and bite.
B - tactile keying, with trill-keys
C - precise tone-hole opening detection
D - a roller glider like the AKAI. allowing for a huge octave range


Agreed, but AKAI octave system is not so good for more than one octave.


E - high speed wireless

I’ve tripped but not fallen yet!

F - "sexy" and inviting to play = Must have the character / soul of a real instrument that you can get in "love with"

Never too old for love!

G - portable with high autonomy

H - highly configurable mouthpiece and fingering settings

Yes, I want to use MY fingerings!

I - adjustable airflow

YES, down to zero so I can BLOW OUT THE SIDES.
J - portable and robust
K - customisable look and feel

????????????


I do not need a sound-engine on board because sound-engines evolve too fast. But if the DSP processor is powerful and compatible with the Plug-in development frameworks then this would be very interesting. FYI, I'm considering to put Respiro on a Bela board and will also investing how to put the engine on a ARM STM processor (like the Sylphyo is using)

WHAT ABOUT MY VARIOPHON SYNTH ;)

Conclusion: there is no wind-controller on the market that fits all my needs.

There will be if you keep sticking to your goals.

I like the Sylphyo due to its
- super fast and sensitive breath sensing,

Is the pressure sensor different?

- free-air-flow that can be reduced by inserting a constrainer in the exhaust.

Any mould in the bypass tube? I found mould in my Akai 4000s.
I don’t recommend them unless they are visible and short.


- highly configurable settings
- lightweight


Akais are HEAVY! (I’m 70 with shoulder problems)

- autonomy and highspeed wireless connection

I like my WX due to its
- fingering, trills, lip sensor

I like the EWI due to its
- roller


Rollers mean glitches over more than one octave leaps?

- robust design

No doubt about that. The battery compartment not so well designed though.

Conclusion, the Sylphyo is getting a bigger score but it still has a way to go. It is still a hurdle for me to get fingering right on the Sylphyo, but this is probably because I'm still learning (as like with a real instrument)...

In my opinion the best fingering for EWI’s is the most convenient.
If it is not convenient, then change it.


Don’t be hampered by traditional fingering patterns.

WHAT IS YOUR DREAM CONTROLLER???

GEWI!! ;)

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3 weeks 9 hours ago #223 by puremusic
You fellows have considered many key aspects, lots of great ideas here.

Let's see what first comes to my mind about this..

One of the reasons I enjoy playing using the TEC is that it does not require me to use an embouchure to make a sound, and that it is hands free. If it were wireless that would be a great next step for it. It is real nice that you can just hang it around your neck, when not using it.. I just sometimes forget it's there, and get up, and yank the USB cable.. so far it has survived but it's a little worn!

I've never played a monophonic wind controller, so my knowledge of what might be best for it is quite superficial. I recall when I once tried to learn to play a wooden flute my struggles with embouchure were quite frustrating, in the end I gave up.

I did look at wind controllers for awhile, I remember preferring the raw sound of the analog synth EWI, but it lacked some conveniences of the later sampled sound model, and in the end I never bought one. I noticed just today there's a new white EWI 5000 S, but the much! improved color seems to be the only change. I am rather holding out for something special if I pick a wind controller up. Also the TEC has grown on me with more use, since I have a lot of control with it combined with Touchkeys.

Haptics are obviously important, weight, portability -- one would hope being wireless and battery operated would not add too much weight, or if so, perhaps a removable battery pack that you can just take out and substitute a USB cable for when it's comfortable to be tethered.

Obviously the more control you can have with the thing the better, things like tilting and fast and far octave switching, the extras often make something just good, special and great.

I remember once I picked up a Hothand USB ring, and never quite got into it, its manner of tilt sensing never clicked with me, so just having it isn't enough it has to work in the context of expected use. I could also quite sense the energy radiating from it when worn on a finger, probably due to its wireless transmissions -- not something appealing to feel, so using it to sense tilt other than worn on a finger was the way to go.

I think one of the things I'd really like, is to be able to wear some inconspicuous headphones and play a lightweight windcontroller with its own sound, this would let me easily walk outdoors and enjoy playing outside without fuss.

If that would add too much weight, I think a separate sound pack would work, but really all in one is ideal. The freedom to play a flute or saxophone casually outdoors, without bothering anyone, would be just great.

As long as the built in sound has flexibility and a good reverb how great it would be.

I don't think a tinny little speaker is necessary.

Well, those are my first thoughts FWIW. :D

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2 weeks 5 days ago - 2 weeks 5 days ago #228 by gewi
Hi puremusic,

Maybe we could get paid for playing like VanEyck:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_van_Eyck .

I read somewhere he was hired to play outdoors, a cemetery

Music here:.

imslp.org/wiki/Der_Fluyten_Lust-Hof_(Eyck%2C_Jacob_van)

Good to hear your thoughts.

Ah yes - here's the reference, under Jacob van Eyck:

www.huizenaanhetjanskerkhof.nl/history-janskerkhof-utrecht/
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2 weeks 5 days ago #229 by imoxplus
If I read your requirements then I think the Sylphyo is heading into the direction you are looking for...lightweight, has onboard sounds, pretty long autonomy etc...

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2 weeks 5 days ago #230 by imoxplus
yep...the real dream controller is the one that allows for full customisation .mouthpiece, fingering, sound-engine, look&feel etc...

K - Look and Feel... well, for me a wind-controller should look like an instrument that has a "soul"... A wind-controller should not look like. a piece of technology... the Lyricon was heading the right direction..
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